Nested surds
Can you find values that make these surd statements true?
Problem
For each of the statements provided below, determine which non-negative values of $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$, if any, make the equation true.
These can be attempted in any order but you might find that some statements can help inform your decisions about others.
You can download these statements as a set of cards that can be cut out and considered in any order.
a) $\sqrt{a} \times \sqrt{b} = \sqrt{ab}$
b) $\dfrac{\sqrt{a}}{\sqrt{b}} = \sqrt{\dfrac{a}{b}}$
c) $\sqrt{23-6\sqrt{6-4\sqrt{2}}}=\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}$
d) $a\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{ab}$
e) $\dfrac{\sqrt{ab}}{\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}}=1$
f) $\sqrt{a} - \sqrt{b}=\sqrt{a - b}$
g) $\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{a+b+\sqrt{4ab}}$
h) $\dfrac{\sqrt{a}+b}{\sqrt{c}+d}=(\sqrt{a}+b)(\sqrt{c}-d)$
i) $\sqrt{5+2\sqrt{6}}=\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}$
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Visit the site at undergroundmathematics.org to find more resources, which also offer suggestions, solutions and teacher notes to help with their use in the classroom.
Student Solutions
David from Dinnington High School has got us started with a solution to f) $\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b} =\sqrt{a-b}$
$\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b} =\sqrt{a-b}$
$\implies (\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b})^2 =a-b$
$\implies a-2\sqrt{a b}+b=a-b$
$\implies 2b-2\sqrt{a b} =0$
$\implies b =\sqrt{a b}$
$\implies b = \sqrt{a} \sqrt{b}$
$\implies \frac{b}{\sqrt{b}} =\sqrt{a}$
$\implies \sqrt{b} =\sqrt{a}$
$\implies a=b$
What this shows is that if $a$ and $b$ are going to satisfy $\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{a-b}$ then $a$ must be equal to $b$. In fact part of the solution has been missed because in the 7th line we divided by $\sqrt{b}$ which assumed $b \neq 0$, so in the fact the possibilites are that $a=b$ or $b=0$. Conversely we can check that if $a=b$ or $b=0$ then $a$ and $b$ satisfy $\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b}=\sqrt{a-b}$. So in summary $\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b} =\sqrt{a-b}$ if and only if $a=b$ or $b=0$.
Sergio from King's College of Alicante has found a solution to i) $\sqrt{5+2 \sqrt{6}} = \sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}$
In the first place I decided to square everything to get rid of some square roots:
$ 5 + 2 \sqrt{6} = a + b + 2 \sqrt{ab}$
Now I looked carefully and I noticed that I probably had found two equations, so I now needed to solve simultaneous equations!
$5=a+b$
$6=ab$
This means that
$6=b(5-b)$
$0=b^2-5b+6$
I solved it by factorising, although you could have also used the quadratic equation, which gave me that $b$, and also $a$ when I substituted in, could be either 3 or 2.
Thomas from BHASVIC Sixth Form College Brighton has solved the remaining parts:
a) Squaring both sides of the equation we simply get $a \times b = ab$ which is clearly true for all non-negative $a$ and $b$.
b) Again, squaring both sides gives $\frac{a}{b} = \frac{a}{b}$, which again is true for all non-negative $a$ and $b>0$.
c) The largest value of $b$ occurs at $a=0$, when $b=23-6\sqrt{6-4\sqrt{2}}$. As $a$ increases, $b$ decreases until it reaches zero, and $a=23-6\sqrt{6-4\sqrt{2}}$. Squaring gives the solution set $a=(\sqrt{23-6\sqrt{6-4\sqrt{2}}}-\sqrt{b})^2$ for $0 \leq b \leq 23-6\sqrt{6-4\sqrt{2}}$.
d) Squaring both sides gives $a^2b=ab \implies ab(a-1) = 0$. So have solutions $a=0,1$ for all non-negative $b$, and $b=0$ for all non-negative $a$.
e) Divide the top and bottom of the fraction $\frac{\sqrt{ab}}{\sqrt{a}+\sqrt{b}}$ by $\sqrt{a}$. Then multiply through by denominator and rearrange to isolate $\sqrt{a}$:
$$\sqrt{a}=\frac{\sqrt{b}}{\sqrt{b}-1}$$
The LHS is positive, so must have denominator $\sqrt{b}-1>0$, so $b>1$. So solutions are given by
$$a = \frac{b}{(\sqrt{b}-1)^2}$$
for $b>1$.
g) Squaring both sides of the equation gives $$a+b+2\sqrt{ab}=a+b+\sqrt{4ab}$$ which is clearly true for all non-negative $a$ and $b$.
h) Take the RHS to the LHS of the equation and factorise out $\sqrt{a}+b$, so that
$$(\sqrt{a}+b)(\frac{c-d^2}{\sqrt{c}+d})=0$$
Then have the solution sets:
$a=b=0$ for any $c$ and $d$ non-negative not both equal to zero
or
any non-negative $a,b$ and all positive $c=d^2$.