Derivation of E = mc2


By Anonymous on Thursday, December 7, 2000 - 01:18 pm :

Hi,

I was wondering whether you could suggest a site that derives E = mc2 ... or whether you yourselves could derive it...I was wondering why this particular proposition holds true...

Thanks


By Michael Doré (Md285) on Thursday, December 7, 2000 - 01:30 pm :

It can be derived from the law that the mass of a particle at velocity v with rest mass m0 is:

m = m0 /sqrt(1 - v2 /c2 )

provided you allow yourself to make a few other assumptions (e.g. conservation of energy). See the discusion Monkey on a Rope , about half way down for two derivations (dated April 13 2000).

[Or read on... - The Editor]


By Anonymous on Friday, December 8, 2000 - 10:05 am :

I'm not sure I follow the step where integration occurs from u = 0 to u = V/sqrt(1-V2 /c2 )

Thanks


By Sean Hartnoll (Sah40) on Friday, December 8, 2000 - 04:44 pm :

I'll let Michael get back about the integration in his proof, one thing I think should be mentioned however, is that the famous formula is really only a special case (at rest, so the momentum, p=0) of the result

E2 - c2 p2 = m2 c4

which can actually be proved fairly quickly but it uses four-vectors, which takes a while to set up, so for the moment I would concentrate on the kind of proof Michael gave in the monkey discussion.

Sean


By Michael Doré (Md285) on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 02:14 am :

OK, might as well go from scratch. We have a particle with rest mass m which is travelling in a straight line, and has position vector x at a time t. It is acted on by an external force F which is constant.

Its relativistic mass at time t is therefore m/sqrt(1 - v2 /c2 ) where v = dx/dt. Applying Newton:

F = d/dt(m/sqrt(1 - v2 /c2 ) x v)

Multiply both sides by dx/dt. Noting that F dx = dE where E = total energy of rocket we get:

dE/dt = v d/dt(mv / sqrt(1 - v2 /c2 ))

Now let u = v/sqrt(1 - v2 /c2 ):

dE/dt = mv du/dt

We also know that:

u2 = v2 / (1 - v2 /c2 )

So:

u2 - u2 v2 /c2 = v2

v2 = u2 /(1 + u2 /c2 )

And as v> 0:

v = u/sqrt(1 + u2 /c2 )

So our equation is:

dE/dt = mv du/dt = mu/sqrt(1 + u2 /c2 ) du/dt

Then using the fact that (dE/dt)/(du/dt) = dE/du we get:

dE/du = mu/sqrt(1 + u2 /c2 )

Integrate this indefinitely:

E = mc2 sqrt(1 + u2 /c2 ) + D

where D is a constant. So:

E = mc2 sqrt(1 + v2 /(c2 -v2 )) + D = c2 m/sqrt(1 - v2 /c2 ) + D

Now note that if we call M the total mass of the particle then:

M = m/sqrt(1 - v2 /c2 )

so:

E = Mc2 + D

where D is constant. In other words the total energy of the particle is in direct proportion to its mass, and the constant of proportionality is c2 . This is, essentially, exactly what E = mc2 says.

Then by using conservation of energy and conservation of mass you can show E = mc2 holds on all occasions, not just when you have a particle under a constant force. Actually, come to think of it I haven't actually assumed F is constant above. Of course it doesn't matter anyway.

Yours,

Michael


By Michael Doré (Md285) on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 12:00 pm :

Also one thing worth pointing out about Sean's equation:

E2 = m2 c4 + c2 p2

is that here m is rest mass. If you're dealing with particles then it is always true to say:

E = mc2 where m is TOTAL (not rest) mass. So you don't have to think of E = mc2 as a special case of E2 = m2 c4 + p2 c2 because in fact the m's mean different things in the two equations. I guess Sean's version is more useful if you're dealing with light as well as just particles, but it is nice to know that the total mass and the total energy are always connected by E = mc2 even when p is not 0.


By Sean Hartnoll (Sah40) on Saturday, December 9, 2000 - 08:00 pm :

Although Michael is right, it turns out in the long run that it is generally more useful to work with a constant rest mass and a momentum 4-vector (E,p) than it is to work with gamma's and total masses. For example, gamma doesn't generalise well to GR but the momentum 4-vector does. And it is conceptually more satisfying too, for instance the proper way to write the equation is in fact

E2 - c2 p2 = m2 c4

where the left side is in fact the norm of the momentum 4-vector (exactly as x2 - c2 t2 is the norm of the position 4-vector (t,x) ). The right side is the norm in the rest frame where it turns out that the 4-momentum is (mc2 ,0). So all the equation is saying is that the norms is conserved under Lorentz transformations which is in fact the definition of a 4-vector, exactly as the norm of the position 4-vector is conserved under Lorentz transformations.

Sean