Physics applications of eip=-1
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Thursday,
December 7, 2000 - 08:02 pm :
I've heard it said before that eip=-1 has many physics applications.
What are these applications?
Thanks,
Brad
By Dan Goodman (Dfmg2) on Thursday,
December 7, 2000 - 09:40 pm :
I don't know any specific applications of eip = -1,
but there are lots of applications of eiq and other things with
complex numbers. Most of the examples come from waves and things to do with
waves (for instance sound waves and fourier series, electricity). Apparently
there are some applications to fluid flows in 2D, but I don't really know
anything about fluid dynamics.
By Anonymous on Friday, December 8,
2000 - 10:10 am :
I just wanted to state that eip+1=0 is really a beautiful expression,
as it involves the five fundamental numbers, e, i, p, 0 and 1 and
also operations, addition, exponentiation...
It's just too good!
See ya
By Sean Hartnoll (Sah40) on Friday,
December 8, 2000 - 04:38 pm :
What has innumerable physical applications is in fact the more general result
ei x = cosx + i sinx
(put x=p to obtain your result).
The main way in which it is used is as a mathematical trick because if you
take the real part of both sides of this equation (for x real), then
Re (ei x) = cosx
Now this is useful because many, many systems are based around some kind of
harmonic motion, so we get cosx appearing. But it turns out that it is
easier to operate with exponentials, because they have nice properties. In
dealing with alternating electrical circuits in particular, everything becomes
much easier if we work using exponentials rather than trigonometric functions
(basically part of the idea is that you look for solutions to the equations of
motion of the form ei a x and sometimes you find that a is real, in
which case you get oscillatory solutions, and sometimes you find that a is
complex in which case you get exponentially damped or growing oscillations,
the power of writing it as an exponential is that you incorporate both kinds
of motion in a compact notation - the power of notation should never be
underestimated!!).
Now in QM, imaginary exponentials appear all the time and here we don't take
the real part because the wavefunction is a complex function. The reason they
appear is that the general solution of the time-dependent Schrodinger equation
with
can be written as something like
|
j(x,t)= |
¥ å
n=0
|
jn(x)ei En x/¾h |
|
with jn(x) and En related by the time-independent Schrodinger
equation Hjn(x)=Enjn(x)
(basically we have just done a Fourier expansion of the time dependence). The bottom line is that whenever you get a linear differential equation, you
are going to get solutions that are in some sense either oscillatory or damped.
And the best notation in which to incorporate these kinds of behvaiour is
using complex exponentials.
Hope this is vaguely enlightening, it is of necessity a bit sketchy. Any
questions welcome,
Sean
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Friday,
December 8, 2000 - 08:26 pm :
I think I remember reading a while ago that Stephen Hawking
had come up with a way to use imaginary numbers (I think it was
called imaginary time) to find an origin of the universe without
a singularity. Can anyone explain this to me?
Thanks,
Brad
By Anonymous on Friday, December 8,
2000 - 09:36 pm :
I'm not sure about that, Brad...but I know he also made use of
tau and t time...using Dirac's equations!
By Tom Hardcastle (P2477) on Saturday,
December 9, 2000 - 12:11 am :
Imaginary time is discussed in 'A Brief History of Time'; I'll
try and summarise from that but I might leave some important bits
out.
The American scientist Richard Feynman proposed the idea of sum
over histories: an approach in which a quantum particle does not
possess a single history, or path in space time, as in classical
theory. Instead the particle moves from A to B by every possible
path. Eath path is considered as a wave, with amplitude and
period. The sum over histories describes the summation (by
superposition) of these waves. Such a concept must be
incorporated in any attempt to combine a theory of gravity and
quantum mechanics.
However, when one tries to perform the additions, severe
technical problems are encountered. To avoid these difficulties,
time is measured with imaginary numbers. A space-time in which
time is measured in imaginary numbers in said to be Euclidean. In
Euclidean space-time there is no difference betweeen the time
direction and spacial directions.
Now from those conditions it is possible to make a proposal that
there is no boundary condition for the universe, that is, that
space and time together form a surface that is finite in size but
does not have any boundary or edge, in the same way that a sphere
is finite in size but has no boundary or edge. This proposal
becomes possible in the quantum theory of gravity because the
time direction is on the same footing as directions in space,
whereas in classical general relativity, time is distinct from
spacial directions.
Now under the no boundary proposal (and Stephen Hawking
emphasises that it is only a proposal) there is a particular
family of histories that is much more likely than the others. In
these circumstances, there will be no singularities at the
beginning or end of the universe. This is argued by analogy as
follows:
"These histories may be pictured as being like the surface of the
earth, with the distance from the North Pole representing
imaginary time and the size of a circle of constant distance from
the North Pole representing the spatial size of the universe. The
universe starts at the North Pole as a single point. As one moves
south, the circles of latitude at constant distance from the
North pole get bigger, corresponding to the universe expanding
with imaginary time. The universe would reach a maximum size at
the equator and would contract with increasing imaginary time to
a single point at the South Pole. Even though the universe would
have zero size at the North and South Poles, these points would
not be singularities, any more than the North and South Poles on
the earth are singular. The laws of science will hold at them,
just as they do at the North and South Poles on the earth.
The history of the universe in real time, however, would look
very different...The universe would expand to a very large size
and eventually in would collapse again into what looks like a
singularity in real time. Thus, in a sense, we are still all
doomed."
I hope some of that made sense. If it didn't, I'll try explaining
anything.
Tom.
By Sean Hartnoll (Sah40) on Saturday,
December 9, 2000 - 02:01 am :
The technicalities in the sum over
histories idea are somewhat complicated - but it is very
beautiful, Feynman was a real genius.
However, the basic idea in the motivation of imaginary time is
quite easy to explain...
In the sum over histories, you get what are something like
integrals of the form
Now this isn't very well defined because sin and cos are not
defined at infinity, however if we change the time to imaginary
time:
ti = i t
then we end up considering integrals like
integral(0 to infinity) e-ti
dti
which are well defined because they are exponentially damped,
they do not oscillate. So we do all our calculations using this
imaginary time and then at the end we change back again. It is
sort of cheating but it works (there is in fact some
justification for doing this which is a powerful theorem which
says something along the lines of that every differentiable real
function has a unique extension to a differentiable complex
function - jumping back and forth from real to imaginary value is
a well-defined operation, but it is still slightly dodgey!). The
new spacetime with the imaginary time is called Euclidean because
the norm of a vector is now x2 + y2 +
z2 +ti 2 , like a 4D Euclidean
space (as opposed to x2 + ... - t2 that it
was before in Minkowski space).
Sean