By Brad Rodgers on Friday, November 09,
2001 - 10:08 pm:
Can anyone find a solution to the integral
???
Thanks,
Brad
By Dan Goodman on Saturday, November 10,
2001 - 02:00 am:
Hmm, I haven't done too well on this
one. Mathematica gives an answer with a complex part, which is
clearly rubbish. I think the problem is that the integral it
finds involves multivalued complex functions such as log, and it
chooses the wrong branches to make the answer real. I've included
the Mathematica output below:

The first line calculates the value numerically to 30 decimal places. The
second line gives us the value of 4 x Pi x (ln(1+sr(2))-ln(2)), which is the
value that the inverse symbolic calculator gives for the first numerical
integration. Unfortunately, I don't know what the Maple function sr(x) is. The
third line gives the antiderivative, which is quite complicated and depends on
many multivalued functions. The PolyLog[n,z] function is given by
. Unfortunately, I don't know how the branches of
PolyLog are related, otherwise it might have been possible to search for the
presumably unique branch of the antiderivative which gives a real value for the
integral. The last line is a plot of the function. Hope that helps a bit.
By Brad Rodgers on Saturday, November 10,
2001 - 02:47 am:
Thanks. I tried working with feeble mathCAD, alas to no avail
as well. I tried my own approach to the problem, and it shows
some promise, but I think I've gone wrong somewhere. I set
then differentiated to get
Which you can solve using the '
definition' for cosine, then
expanding with respect to
. I then ended up with no terms being just
a constant, and since
for some number
is in all the
other terms, I evaluated the integral to be zero by Cauchy. Thus
,
or
. But this is surely wrong, as
(mathCAD evaluates
this using dilogs).
Brad
By Arun Iyer on Saturday, November 10,
2001 - 06:14 am:
how about expanding log(cos2 x+1) into a series and
then integrating since we know that,
log(y+1)=y-1/2 x y2 +1/3 x y3
-.......
where y is real and less than 1.....
love arun
By Arun Iyer on Saturday, November 10,
2001 - 06:20 am:
or another idea....
find the indefinite integral....
using the product rule.....which gives...
something...
and then evaluated between limits 0 and
love arun
By Brad Rodgers on Sunday, November 11,
2001 - 01:24 am:
I've been able to determine that (through differentiation
under the integral)
for
some unknown constant. The problem however, lies in finding
. It
could be found if someone can find
, but this has managed to elude me thus far.
Brad
By Brad Rodgers on Sunday, November 11,
2001 - 01:33 am:
Using a very slightly different technique, I have determined
that my original integral is equal to
(that technique still being differentiation under the integral,
but afterwards simply integrating the equation you get from 0 to
1). Can this expression be simplified though?
Brad
By Brad Rodgers on Sunday, November 11,
2001 - 03:09 am:
Using the identity
, we finally obtain a
result for this integral as
. Sorry for answering
most of my own questions here, the answers didn't occur to me when I asked
them.
Thanks for your help,
Brad
By Dan Goodman on Sunday, November 11,
2001 - 03:49 am:
Indeed. And that explains what the Maple
function sr is, it's just square root. I should have guessed it
:-).
By Dan Goodman on Sunday, November 11,
2001 - 03:56 am:
Pretty damn good work by the way. I
can't do these integrals at this time of night. Do you have a
neat (short) way of getting to the result of your 2nd last post
(it's pretty easy from there)? By the way, what gave you the idea
of throwing in the n term and differentiating with respect to n?
Is this a standard trick I'm not aware of? It's pretty
cunning.
By Sean Hartnoll on Sunday, November 11,
2001 - 11:56 am:
Brad, you might be interested to know
that the idea of introducing constants and differentiating with
respect to them under the integral before setting them equal to
one again is something that was invented by Feynman in order to
evaluate some difficult integrals that come up in quantum field
theory. It is quite a nice trick (Feynman claimed that he could
do any integral that other people did using contour integration
with using contour integration). So if you have thought of this
by yourself, then you're in very good company!! Also, even if you
had seen the idea before, it is usually unobvious how to apply it
in some given integral, so that's still pretty good.
Sean
By Brad Rodgers on Sunday, November 11,
2001 - 08:55 pm:
Dan, the method I used above was rather inelegant, and in
fact, I had to resort to mathCAD quite often to check and perform
operations. I realized this morning though, that there is a more
elegant way to go about this integral. First, we know that we are
trying to evaluate
making the substitution
, we can write the integral as
Then just combine the two fractions inside, cancel terms, and the
final result pops out quite nicely.
Sean, I'm afraid I can't claim credit for coming up with the
differentiation under the integral on my own, I read Feynman's
book "Surely you're joking Mr. Feynman", and for a while couldn't
figure out what he was talking about when he said differentiation
under the integral. It eventually hit me, and I was able to
fairly easily come up with the proof behind the idea fairly
easily, but still, I was influenced quite heavily.
Brad
By Michael Doré on Monday, November 12,
2001 - 12:03 pm:
Nice work, Brad! I think you need to be slightly
careful in your last response - the first integral you've written down doesn't
look like it's going to converge.
I don't think Feynman was the first to use this technique. Euler used it in
the eighteenth century to evaluate:
The way he did this was to write:
where
is a constant, then calculated
, hence
and finally
set
and took the limit as
.