Reduction Formula (Integration)


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 02:14 pm :

Hi,


If we found that n In=cosn-1 xsinx+(n-1)In-2

How can you use it to evaluate I8 for In=ò0p/2 cosn x dx?
I was not sure how to evaluate it. Hope someone can show me how. Then I shall go and do another example myself.

Hal.


By Anonymous on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 02:21 pm :

You have the correct reduction formula. But you also have limits. So what is cosn-1 x sin x when evaluated at the limits? Zero. So in fact the reduction formula is:

n In = (n-1)In-2

Does this make it easier?


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 02:26 pm :

Yes! Thank you! It works out much neater to evaluate!


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 02:46 pm :

Hi again,


I am trying to evaluate when n is odd, say I9 for ò0pcosn x dx

When I got down to the term I1, I said, let I1=òcos x dx=[sinp -sin0]=0
So when I multiplied the other terms the I9 became = 0. Where have I gone wrong?

Up to the term I3 , I got it to be 128/315. Is there a restriction for n? Is that why its goes wrong? Could someone just confirm this for me. I think it is because of our original nIn = (n-1)In-2 ?


By Kerwin Hui (Kwkh2) on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 07:12 pm :
Hal,

The answer is correct. The point is cosx=sin(p/2+x), so if we make a change of variable, we see that we are integrating an odd function (sin9 y) with symmetric limits (-p/2 to p/2), hence zero.

Kerwin


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Sunday, March 18, 2001 - 07:39 pm :

Thanks Kerwin.


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 11:40 am :

Hello there,

I am having trouble with this question. Some hints would be nice.


Given that In=ò0p/3secn x dx, show that for n ³ 1,


In = [(2n-2 )/(n-1)]31/2 + [(n-2)/(n-1)]In-2

Hence evaluate I7 .

How do I show what is required? What is the best way to break it up? Thanks.

Hal.


By Anonymous on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 12:36 pm :

Try writing it as sec2 x x secn-2 x, then using parts to obtain the reduction formula.


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 12:48 pm :

Hi,

I tried that previously but obviously I made a mess of it. I thought there might be a different way to do it. OK, I'll try it again and get back to you.

Hal


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Monday, March 19, 2001 - 06:50 pm :

Hi,

How would you go about doing this type:


In = ò1/(1-x2)n dx,
finding a reduction formula?

Thanks.
Hal.
By Michael Doré (Md285) on textbfMonday, March 19, 2001 - 10:57 pm :

These things are often easier to manipulate in trigonometric form. Particularly if the integral is between 0 and 1 or something nice like that. So try substituting something like x = sin t. You should find this reduces it to one of your previous reduction problems. Did you have any luck with the secn x reduction formula?


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 10:51 am :

Hi Michael,

I just tried the Secn x reduction again. I got it to the general form (n-1)In = tanx.secn-2 x + (n-2)In-2 form. Is that correct? I am going to put in the boundary conditions to see whether I get it in the form that they require.

I haven't tried the sub you suggested yet. But I will and will let you know how it goes. Thanks also for the general tip MIchael.

Hal.


By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Tuesday, March 20, 2001 - 10:54 pm :

Hi Michael,


Given that In=òxn/2(1-x)1/2 dx, show that
In = (n/(n+3)).In-2

How do I tackle this one?
I tried sub x=sin2 t, but I did not get it.

Should that sub work? Or is there another way I should do it?

Thanks
Hal.
By Michael Doré (Md285) on Wednesday, March 21, 2001 - 12:23 am :

x=sin2 t sounds good to me. I amassuming the integralis from 0 to 1,so t goes from 0 to p/2. We get:

In=ò0p/2sinn tcost×2sintcost dt=2ò0p/2 sinn+1 tcost×cost dt.

because sin and cos are positivein this range.

This now lends itselfto integration by parts, with the separation occurring at the ×.

In=2sinn+2t×cost/(n+2)+2ò0p/2sinn+3 t dt/(n+2)

The first bit vanishes when the limits are put in. So:

(n+2)In=2ò0p/2 sinn+3 t dt

And:

(n) In-2-(n+2)In=2ò0p/2sinn+1 tcos2 t dt=In

and so n In-2=(n+3)In as required.

You probably can do this directly without making the trig substitution but I find trig expressions much easier to manipulate.