Reduction Formula (Integration)
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Sunday, March
18, 2001 - 02:14 pm :
Hi,
If we found that n In=cosn-1 xsinx+(n-1)In-2
How can you use it to evaluate I8 for In=ò0p/2 cosn x dx?
I was not sure how to evaluate it. Hope someone can show me how.
Then I shall go and do another example myself.
Hal.
By Anonymous on Sunday, March 18, 2001
- 02:21 pm :
You have the correct reduction formula. But you also have
limits. So what is cosn-1 x sin x when evaluated at
the limits? Zero. So in fact the reduction formula is:
n In = (n-1)In-2
Does this make it easier?
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Sunday, March
18, 2001 - 02:26 pm :
Yes! Thank you! It works out much neater to evaluate!
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Sunday, March
18, 2001 - 02:46 pm :
Hi again,
I am trying to evaluate when n is odd, say I9 for ò0pcosn x dx
When I got down to the term I1, I said, let I1=òcos x dx=[sinp -sin0]=0
So when I multiplied the other terms the I9 became =
0. Where have I gone wrong?
Up to the term I3 , I got it to be 128/315. Is there a
restriction for n? Is that why its goes wrong? Could someone just
confirm this for me. I think it is because of our original
nIn = (n-1)In-2 ?
By Kerwin Hui (Kwkh2) on Sunday,
March 18, 2001 - 07:12 pm :
Hal,
The answer is correct. The point is cosx=sin(p/2+x), so if we make a
change of variable, we see that we are integrating an odd function (sin9 y)
with symmetric limits (-p/2 to p/2), hence zero.
Kerwin
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Sunday, March
18, 2001 - 07:39 pm :
Thanks Kerwin.
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Monday, March
19, 2001 - 11:40 am :
Hello there,
I am having trouble with this question. Some hints would be
nice.
Given that In=ò0p/3secn x dx, show that for n ³ 1,
In = [(2n-2 )/(n-1)]31/2 +
[(n-2)/(n-1)]In-2
Hence evaluate I7 .
How do I show what is required? What is the best way to break it
up? Thanks.
Hal.
By Anonymous on Monday, March 19, 2001
- 12:36 pm :
Try writing it as sec2 x x secn-2 x,
then using parts to obtain the reduction formula.
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Monday, March
19, 2001 - 12:48 pm :
Hi,
I tried that previously but obviously I made a mess of it. I
thought there might be a different way to do it. OK, I'll try it
again and get back to you.
Hal
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Monday, March
19, 2001 - 06:50 pm :
Hi,
How would you go about doing this type:
In = ò1/(1-x2)n dx,
finding a reduction formula?
Thanks.
Hal.
By Michael Doré (Md285) on textbfMonday, March 19,
2001 - 10:57 pm :
These things are often easier to
manipulate in trigonometric form. Particularly if the integral is
between 0 and 1 or something nice like that. So try substituting
something like x = sin t. You should find this reduces it to one
of your previous reduction problems. Did you have any luck with
the secn x reduction formula?
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Tuesday, March
20, 2001 - 10:51 am :
Hi Michael,
I just tried the Secn x reduction again. I got it to
the general form (n-1)In = tanx.secn-2 x +
(n-2)In-2 form. Is that correct? I am going to put in
the boundary conditions to see whether I get it in the form that
they require.
I haven't tried the sub you suggested yet. But I will and will
let you know how it goes. Thanks also for the general tip
MIchael.
Hal.
By Hal 2001 (P3046) on Tuesday, March
20, 2001 - 10:54 pm :
Hi Michael,
Given that In=òxn/2(1-x)1/2 dx, show that
In = (n/(n+3)).In-2
How do I tackle this one?
I tried sub x=sin2 t, but I did not get it.
Should that sub work? Or is there another way I should do
it?
Thanks
Hal.
By Michael Doré (Md285) on Wednesday, March 21,
2001 - 12:23 am :
x=sin2 t sounds good to me. I amassuming
the integralis from 0 to 1,so t goes from 0 to p/2. We get:
In=ò0p/2sinn tcost×2sintcost dt=2ò0p/2 sinn+1 tcost×cost dt.
because sin and cos are positivein this range.
This now lends itselfto integration by parts, with the separation occurring
at the ×.
In=2sinn+2t×cost/(n+2)+2ò0p/2sinn+3 t dt/(n+2)
The first bit vanishes when the limits are put in. So:
(n+2)In=2ò0p/2 sinn+3 t dt
And:
(n) In-2-(n+2)In=2ò0p/2sinn+1 tcos2 t dt=In
and so n In-2=(n+3)In as required.
You probably can do this directly without making the trig substitution but I
find trig expressions much easier to manipulate.