This question has been bothering me of late. Does a circle have one side or an infinite number of sides? My teacher suggests that it is an infinite number of sides, her evidence being that the ratio between the perimeter of a polygon and the longest diagonal of a polygon tends towards pi as the number of sides of the polygon increases. The thing that has got me thinking is that if this is the case then as the number of sides increase, the length of the sides gets shorter and shorter until they have no length at all, i.e. they are points. But points are one dimensional, and then you can't have a line at all, because to the best of my knowledge you can't add two things in one dimension to get another dimension. Any thoughts? Or thoughts on how I should be thinking about this?
It depends on what you mean by "side".
If you mean how many straight line segments are there, then a
circle has none, as no segment of a circle is a straight line. An
alternative definition of the number of sides (which makes more
sense to me personally) would be the least number of
differentiable (this means smooth, not angular) curves the shape
can be divided into. Using this definition, a circle has 1 side.
Here are a few more examples (badly drawn I'm afraid):

I don't think that using any particularly useful definition of
side, a circle would have an infinite number of sides. However,
it is true that the limit of an n sided regular polygon as n
tends to infinity is a circle. In the limit each "side" is indeed
a point, which is why I think that sides is no longer a useful
word to describe them. Don't worry about adding things in one
dimension to get another one. It is true that you cannot add two
things in one dimension to get another dimension. However, this
argument only works for what are called "countable" unions. For
very large numbers of points, this fails. For example, the set of
points in a plane, all added together, make a plane. Do you know
about countability and the sizes of infinite sets? Would you like
me to explain why one infinity can be bigger than another
infinity?
That a circle can be thought of as the limit of a polygon as
you increase the number of sides to infinity has been known for a
long time, and this is how the Greeks (among others) first
started to calculate pi. If you take a circle, and draw the
smallest of a particular polygon (e.g. a triangle) that will fit
around it (i.e. three tangents at 60°), and then the largest
that will fit within it, the area of the circle must be between
the areas of the two triangles. Now extend this to two squares,
two regular pentagons, two regular hexagons....two regular
Nagons...two identical circles.
It is not true, however, that a circle has infinite straight
sides. A circle is "the locus of points a fixed distance [the
radius] from a central point", and therefore is a curve.
Straight lines are curves, but they are special curves whose
gradient (slope) is constant. A circle's slope cannot be defined
except by a parameter or implicitly, but there are no corners
(sudden changes of slope) anywhere along it so it is a single
curve.
Thank's for your help on this. How, then, is a curve defined? I am familiar with the notion of some infinities being bigger than others, but I'd like to know more about 'countable unions', please.
I think that there are probably many
definitions of a curve. One that might be useful here is the idea
of a "connected" set of dimension 1. Connected means (roughly)
that you can get from one point to another point without ever
leaving the curve.
As to the countable unions business. Here is the distinction: The
union (from n=1 to infinity) of the sets (1/n) is basically the
set of all points which are 1/n for some integer, i.e. the set
(1,0.5,0.333,0.25,...). This is a countable union, because there
are the same number of sets as there are natural numbers
(1,2,3...). However, let Ux =(x) (the set containing
the real number x). Then the union over all x in the reals, is
clearly all of the reals, this is because the number of sets is
the same as the number of real numbers, which is uncountable.
I've assumed you understand what countable and uncountable mean
here (i.e. the size of the real numbers is bigger than the size
of the natural numbers). Does this help, or is there anything
still unclear?
Let's first see what a line consists of?
A line, be it straight line or curve ,consists of INFINITE number
of points.
A line of length 2 meter has infinite points as also a line of
length 3 meter or 10 meter or 100 lightyear.
Also, no FINITE number of points - however large the number be -
can constitute a line.
In essence a line consists of infinite no. of points and nothing
less than infinite no. of points.
So 2 points or 100 points or, say, 1 billion points cannot
constitute a line.
More generally, infinite number of N dimensional entities can
constitute an M(> N) dimensional entity. And, infinity of
(N-2) dim. entities > infinity of (N-1) dim. entities >
infinity of N dim. entities etc.
e.g. no.of points in a cube > no.of points on a square >
no.of points on a linesegment ; EVEN IF in each case there are
infinite no.of points .
Secondly; a line must have a length , a plane must have an area ,
a space must have a volume. There can be no line of length
zero.
So now back to the "sides of circle" :
If a circle is to have infinite no.of sides then clearly its
circumfarence will be infinite which is inadmissible.
Ofcourse circle is a limiting case of n-gon as n tends to
infinity. And as long as n is finite the side is a straight
linesegment. But when n is infinite the circle is a single piece
object or it has one side as per Dan Goodman's definition.
In other words a curve and a straight line are two entirely
different things and one cannot be thought of as a composition or
a special case of the other.
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