if
then
is convergent
By Brad Rodgers on Sunday, March 31, 2002
- 02:29 am:
Is it true that if
,
then
is convergent?
It seems reasonable, and I can't seem to find a counterexample,
but I can't prove it either...
Thanks,
Brad
By Michael Doré on Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 02:42 am:
I think an = 1/(n ln n) (n
> 1) is a counter-example - but I'll check this in the
morning. Interesting question.
By Michael Doré on Sunday, March 31, 2002 - 02:22 pm:
Indeed it is well known (and easy to
prove) that if an -> L as n-> infinity then
(a1 + ... + an )/n -> L. (This result is
the basis for the Cesaro limit. The Cesaro limit of a sequence is
equal to the limit of the average of the first n terms. The above
result tells us that if the sequence has a limit then it also has
a Cesaro limit, and the Cesaro limit is equal in value to the
normal limit. The converse isn't true - the sequence
1,0,1,0,1,0,... doesn't have a normal limit but has a Cesaro
limit of 1/2.)
Anyway, this immediately shows that an = 1/(n ln n)
satisfies your first condition since n an -> 0.
(Note you have to redefine a1 but it really doesn't
matter what you define it as.)
To show a1 + a2 + ... diverges you can use
exactly the same technique used to show the harmonic series
diverges. Obtain a lower bound for the sum between n =
2N-1 + 1 and n = 2N . You should find this
lower bound is proportional to 1/N and the result follows by
comparison with the harmonic series.
By Brad Rodgers on Tuesday, April 02, 2002
- 05:03 am:
I see. Surely it is true that if
,
then
is convergent, right? Because we require
, thus the series is less than
.
What is the minimal function like this? e.g. what monotonically
increasing function f(x) satisfies
(a)
implies
that
is convergent.
(b)
is less than any other function satisfying (a) at a given
?
Or does such a function exist?
Thanks,
Brad
Michael Doré on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 12:40 pm:
Another good question. I'm really not sure of
the answer to your first question. It is not necessarily true that
. All we know is that the long-run average of
is zero,
but this doesn't even imply that
is bounded. I'll have to think
about this.
Note if you had replaced
by any higher power of
, the answer would
certainly be yes. In fact if
all you need is for
to converge (not necessarily to zoro) and this guarantees
converges. To see this, note that if:
as
(*)
Then:
And so:
Subtracting from (*)
and so
. So
is bounded so
for some
and constant
. Hence
is absolutely convergent.
However in your question, all we can get from this approach is that
which we already know isn't good enough to guarantee convergence
(
). I suspect your conjecture is still true, but proving this
has me stumped.
Your last question is easier - the answer is no. If
satisfies (a)
then so does
. However maybe you are defining minimal function
differently?
By Michael Doré on Tuesday, April 02, 2002 - 02:36 pm:
Also if
for all
then your
conjecture is true. This is because:
So
. Therefore this is bounded, so there
exists and
such that:
for all
. But
so:
and
So:
therefore:
and the convergence quickly follows. The challenge is when
changes
sign infinitely often...