Divergent series
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Tuesday,
January 30, 2001 - 12:58 am :
Is there a series such that
S=a0 -a1 +a2 -a3
+...
for an > an+1 , and all an
positive
that diverges?
It can be any sort of series imaginable that meets those
requirements.
Brad
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Tuesday,
January 30, 2001 - 01:08 am :
Oops, just realized that's suprisingly easy to answer, so
here's another as to not waste this space: what's the value of
the series
A=(x-1)+(x1/2 -1)+(x1/3 -1)...
for x> 1
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Saturday,
February 3, 2001 - 11:49 pm :
Anyone? What about the series
x-x1/2 +x1/3 -x1/4 ...?
By Michael Doré (Md285) on Sunday, February
4, 2001 - 06:25 pm :
This does not look easy at all...
Actually we have just covered your first question in our analysis
lectures. As I'm sure you've worked out by now, it isn't possible
to make S diverge - this result is called the alternating series
test.
By Richard Samworth (Rjs57) on Monday,
February 5, 2001 - 11:59 am :
Michael,
In order to apply the alternating series test you would also need
the condition that an tends to zero as n tends to
infinity.
For a simple counterexample, take
an = 1 + 1/n.
This would ensure that S diverges.
Richard
By Michael Doré (Md285) on Monday, February 5,
2001 - 01:00 pm :
Whoops yes, I was implicitly assuming the condition
an -> 0.
By Kerwin Hui (Kwkh2) on Monday,
February 5, 2001 - 05:37 pm :
Brad,
Your last question - the answer is surely diverges, since
x1/n -> 1 as n -> infinity
The other question looks interesting, but unfortunately I have no
idea of how to tackle your sum yet.
Kerwin
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Monday,
February 5, 2001 - 10:59 pm :
How can the series still be divergent even if
? Wouldn't
it still have to at least tend to a finite value? If not, what's wrong with
what I've done here:
First, grouping the terms this way:
S=(a0 -a1 )+(a2 -a3
)+...
we know that S> 0.
Grouping this way:
S=a0 -(a1 -a2 )-(a3
-a4 )-...
we know that S < a0 .
Thus,
0 < S < a0
I mean, I sort of understand that counterexample, but still, the
series isn't 1-1+1-1+1...
By Michael Doré (Md285) on Tuesday, February
6, 2001 - 11:29 am :
The point is that just because a series is
bounded, this doesn't mean it converges. 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + ... is one such
example. Richard's is another one. Here is the definition determining whether
a series
converges:
Let
. Then the series
converges to
if and only if for every
there exists an
integer
such that
for all
.
In other words the series gets to within an arbitrarily close proximity to
and then stays there forever, provided you look at the partial sum
sufficiently far across. If you have a look at Richard's counterxample, you can
see that this condition is not satisfied.
If you have a convergent series, then if you split up the terms into several
parts and shove them in then it won't necessarily converge. So while:
0 + 0 + 0 + ...
converges, and so does:
(1 - 1) + (1 - 1) + ...
(exactly the same) it is not OK to ungroup the brackets:
1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + ...
In the same way, if
is a decreasing positive sequence then sure:
(a0 - a1) + (a2 - a3) + ...
and
a0 + (-a1 + a2) + (-a3 + a4) + ...
both individually converge (because one is increasing and bounded above and the
other is decreasing and bounded below) but if you remove the brackets it won't
necessarily converge. (If
then by the alternating series test,
which I'll prove if you like although it's not hard, it does converge.) If the
th partial sum of any series doesn't tend to 0 then the series doesn't
converge. But the converse isn't always true.
Finally, I should point out that in general, a sequence being bounded and
having its terms tending to 0 still isn't a sufficient condition for
convergence. For instance if the terms
in the series are:
1 -0.5 -0.5 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.25 -0.125 -0.125 -0.125 -0.125 -0.125 -0.125 -0.125 -0.125 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 0.0625 ...
then the sequence associated with the series (that is, the
th partial sum)
oscillates between 0 and 1, but each time it does so it takes more and smaller
steps. So the partial sum is bounded, and the terms in the series are tending
to 0 but the series diverges.
By Michael Doré (Md285) on Tuesday, February
6, 2001 - 07:48 pm :
To clarify the start of the last paragraph:
"If a series a1 + a2 + ... has
bounded partial sum (that means that a1 + ... +
an is trapped between two limits), and an
> 0 then it still isn't certain that a-1 +
a2 + ... converges".
By The Editor :
To answer the second question,
diverges, because
approximates to
, so the
series looks like
.