New Coordinate System
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Friday,
February 23, 2001 - 09:04 pm :
I'm trying to come up with a new sort of coordinate system.
This is going to take a while to explain, so be braced. For
example, here is one sort of change of coordinates. Suppose the
we made a line, call it b so that on line b, y=x. Then make
another line, a so that on line a, y=-x. Now, we can call a and b
axis, and put equations in terms of them. Now suppose we were to
take this one step further. Suppose that we were to make line b a
curve, and line a into an infinite variety of lines,
perpendicular to line b. Call the coordinate on axis b the
length from any origin (you can choose one for convenience) to a
point following the curve. Then call the coordinate on
axis a the distance out from curve b. Here's a picture to
help:
I've already worked out a few relationships dealing with this,
most of which are ridiculously complex, and to determine an a
(based upon a b), you have to chose it based upon gradients and
then compare two coordinates. Not too nice. Anyways, my question
is, has anything like this ever been done before (aside from
polar coordinates)? I think this could be used to simplify
integrals. Are there any other possible uses. Any simple ways
that you can work out that can change coordinates given that b= a
given function of x. Sorry if I've made this confusing in my
explanation, and I can post my way to change coordinates if need
be, but once again, it's quite messy and I don't think it would
work all that well in practice.
Brad
By Anonymous on Friday, February 23,
2001 - 09:42 pm :
Yes there is a general theory for change of variable in multi-
dimensional integrals which I guess you'd come accross in a first
year uni course.
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Sunday,
February 25, 2001 - 02:31 am :
What is the theory that you describe, anonymous? Do you know
where I can find some information on it? What are some of the key
formulas in it?
Thanks,
Brad
By Dan Goodman (Dfmg2) on Sunday,
February 25, 2001 - 03:04 am :
Brad, the theory I think anon was referring to is the
change of variable formula, which says that if x1 to xn are one set of
coordinates, and y1 to yn are another set, then
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where xi(y1,¼,yn) are the change of coordinate formulae from y to
x, and J is the Jacobian matrix of the change of variable formulae,
defined as Jik=¶xi/(¶yk) and
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determinant of the matrix J.
As an example, changing between polar coordinates and rectangular coordinates
in 2D, you have the formulae:
x=rcos(q), y=rsin(q)
So ¶x/¶r=cos(q), ¶x/¶q = -rsin(q),
¶y/¶r=sin(q), ¶y/¶q = rcos(q),
so the Jacobian matrix
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So we could use this to evaluate the area of a circle for example. If we
integrate the function F(x,y)=1 over the set D={(x,y):x2+y2 £ 1} we
get the area A of the circle D. However, this is quite a complicated
integral to do using the normal technique, since the limits are quite
complicated. If we change variables to polar coordinates however, the limits
are easy, r ranges from0 to R and q ranges from 0 to 2p. So
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Hooray! It works!
By The Editor :
One problem with Brad's coordinate
system is that the (a,b) coordinates of a point need not be
uniquely determined: there might be several nearest points for
instance. And some (a,b) coordinates might never occur.
There are plenty of funny coordinate systems out there,
though.