Product of consecutive numbers as a
power
By Yatir Halevi on Friday, April 12, 2002
- 12:18 pm:
There is an old conjecture that says that the product of
consecutive numbers can't be a number to the power of another
number (Is there a simple way of saying it???) - except to the
power of one (of course).
It was proved by Erdos and Selfrididge in 1975, and it took them
9 years.
To prove that two consecutive numbers can't have that property is
easy since gcd(n,n+1)=1 and they can't be to the same power.
(except 1 and 2)
Does anybody have the proof?
(I guess it wasn't done using induction...)
Thanks,
Yatir
By David Loeffler on Saturday, April 13,
2002 - 09:49 pm:
According to a Google search, it's Erdos
and Selfridge: "The product of consecutive integers is never a
power",
Illinois Journal of Mathematics 19 (1975), pages 292--301.
(Mathematical Reviews 51 #12692). (Aren't search engines
wonderful?)
However, I'm not in Cambridge at the moment so I don't have
access to a library which which would have the paper. Is anyone
on the NRICH team better placed?
David
By Ian Short on Monday, April 15, 2002 -
10:15 am:
Thanks for the tip-off David. The proof for general powers
is a mountain, but there was a reference for just square powers (Erdos 1939)
which I'll indicate the main steps for, to suggest the flavour of such
questions. The general ideas involved are within reach of anyone who has
taken a first course in number theory, only a few parts need further material.
Extra work required in the proof will be indicated by up to 3 (#)s.
- Aiming for a contradiction, assume there are integers
,
and
with
.
- Write
where
are square-free integers (no square
divisors, Erdos writes 'quadratfrei') and if prime
then
(#).
- Show
s distinct. (###)
- Thus
is greater than the product of the first
square-free integers. i.e. for
it is greater than
. (##)
- The number of
s divisible by prime
is equal to or less
than
(
denoting integer part) (#).
Hence
.
In fact,
. (###)
- But
using a
theorem of Legendre. (##)
- Combine inequalities in (4), (5) and (6) to get a contradiction for
. Some other guy (Seimatsu Narumi) had previously established the
result for
.
The proof was a few pages long, but this is the gist of it. Tell me if you
have any problems or if you discover a better proof!.
Ian
By Yatir Halevi on Monday, April 15, 2002
- 04:25 pm:
Ian, Could you please explain stages (4) and (6)...
Thanks,
Yatir
By Ian Short on Tuesday, April 16, 2002
- 11:35 am:
Sure, my 24 in (4) seems to have come out of nowhere.
(4) Let
the
th square-free number. It can be verified algebraically
that
. Thus if we can show
,
the result holds by induction. This is true as for
, the number of
square-free integers equal to or less than
is at most
.
(Suffices to omit all the integers divisible by 4.)
(6) Let
the power to which
divides
for
(so that
). Then for
use
and for
and
3 Erdos obtains
via Legendre's formula.
This formula states that if
(
) then
Thus
so put this to the power of
.
Combining the results for
, 3 and
should give the inequality that
I wrote down.
The remaining (###) bits are no more complicated than this, just longer.
Hope that's okay.
Ian
By Yatir Halevi on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 03:40 pm:
Ian, in (4), how did you show that the product of the a_i s is
greater the the product of the square free integers...sorry, I
still didn't get it...
Thanks, Yatir
By Ian Short on Tuesday, April 16, 2002 - 06:24 pm:
I'm not sure whether you now understand the first part of (4).
All I had meant to indicate was that the ai s are
distinct and square-free so that a_0 ...a_{k-1} is equal to or
greater than the product of the k smallest square-free numbers-
i.e. the first k such.
Note that I checked none of the arithmetic, rather trusting
Erdos. It is necessary by around the 7th step to up k to about
100 anyway.
Tell me if you get anywhere with your factorial idea, I'll dwell
on it...
Ian
By Yatir Halevi on Wednesday, April 17, 2002 - 06:01
am:
Yes, I do get (4) now, I thoughtt of a proof and I didn't see
that the reasoning was lying right there in front of
me...