p irrational
By Niranjan Srinivas on Thursday, October
25, 2001 - 11:06 am:
hi all,
can anyone prove that pi is irrational ?
I hope it will not involve very high mathematics ?
thanks
cheers
Niranjan.
By David Loeffler on Thursday, October
25, 2001 - 06:24 pm:
Hmm. I only know one proof, which was on a problem sheet
one of our lecturers gave out about a month ago. It involves mathematics of
supposedly only A-level standard (it was an introductory sheet for new
students) but it is rather involved.
It goes (sort of) like this: let q be any integer.
Let An = qn /n! ò0p xn (p-x)n sin(x) dx
Then show, by integrating An by parts twice, that
An+2 = (4n+6)q An+1 -(qp)2 An. This is quite fiddly, as it is
easy to get very confused with the sheer volume of algebra, but it doesn't
need you to do anything particularly clever.
Now for the important bit. Suppose p is rational; then we can write
p = p/q, so that both q and qp are integers.
Then if we use this q in the recurrence relation above, we see that An+2
is a sum of integer multiples of An+1 and An. So if these are
integers, An+2 is also an integer. We can check the values of A0,
which is 2, and A1, which is 4q. So, if our q exists, then A0, A1,
and hence A2 and all the other A's are integers.
Now we are almost there, although it may not look like it. How big is An?
Since sin(x) ³ 0 for x=0..p, An is positive for all n.
However, for x between 0 and p,
xn £ pn,
(p -x)n £ pn,
and sin(x) £ 1.
So An is at most qn /n! ò0pp2n dx = p(qp2)n /n!.
Can you see that as we make n larger and larger, this will inevitably get
smaller and smaller? In other words, it tends to 0 as n gets big.
So, we know three things about An:
- it's getting smaller and smaller
- it's never zero
- it's an integer
This can't be right, since if the last two are true, we would have to have
An at least 1, which goes against the first.
So we have, at last, reached a contradiction. Thus our original assumption
that q existed must have been false; we can't write p = p/q, i.e. it is
irrational. QED.
David
By Kerwin Hui on Friday, October 26, 2001
- 12:03 am:
Maybe looking at this
archive is a good idea.
Kerwin
By Arun Iyer on Friday, October 26, 2001 -
07:57 pm:
a much similar but slightly different variation of the proof
is given here....
http://www.mathpages.com/home/kmath313.htm
love arun