Can you calculate infinity?
By Mark Jordan (P656) on Friday, April
16, 1999 - 04:55 pm :
I've always thought about this. 'Can you calculate
infinity?'.
You might say you could: but how?
You might say you can't.
You might even say infinity is just an infinitesimally large
number!
Well whatever it is , I've always wonderd
Bye!
By Chris Jefferson (Caj30) on
Wednesday, April 21, 1999 - 08:02 am :
In maths the sum from 0 to ¥ is defined to be the
sum from 0 to X as X gets very large if as X gets larger the sum tends
to a limit. Or: the sum from 0 to ¥ of a series an is l if
for all E there exists D such that if X > D then
l) < E
You will probably need to read that through a few times... I did!
Anyway the point of these ramblings is that infinity is almost always used in
definition rather than existing on it's own. To say something is ëqual" to
¥ is to say that it is bigger than all other numbers you could name.
For example, as X gets very small, 1/X tends to infinity. However, 1/0 IS
NOT EQUAL TO INFINITY!!
There are a few areas of maths where we seem to allow infinity in, but even
here it is simply a special definition and nothing more.
Hope that that didn't confuse you too much and maybe helped to answer your question, bye!
By Bill Higgins (P1415) on Wednesday,
November 17, 1999 - 04:34 pm :
Just remember!!
Take the Highest number you know and times it by itself many many
times.
You see, there is no way of counting infinity!!!
There are no equations.
By Andrew Rogers (Adr26) on
Wednesday, November 17, 1999 - 11:50 pm :
Hi there !
I thought I'd say a little about infinity.
Infinity (¥)is rather hard to understand, as we just generally don't
see too many infinite numbers around us (we have lots of very large ones, but
they are really just very large finite numbers).
If we cound the grains of sand on a beach or the number of molecules in the
universe, these are still numbers Physicists (and we) can calculate, ie they
are finite.
To cope with infinity cropping up Mathematicians have invented a sort of way
of "counting" infinite numbers. Now the idea is that the set of Natural
Numbers, ie {1,2,3,...}, are a good way of starting out to tackle the problem.
They're fairly simple, and we know there are infinitely many of them.
Actually, we can define Natural Numbers in terms of sets, but that's
another story...
Basically we use 2 things to generate the Natural numbers:
1) We define "1"
2) The next natural number is the last one plus "1"
(We have to do other things like defining addition, etc, but as I said, it's
a different story)
So we have:
1 = 1
2 = 1 + 1
3 = 2 + 1
4 = 3 + 1
...
Now we can say that there are infinitely many natural numbers. For suppose
I had found all of them (ie a finite number of them). Then I could take the
largest number from my set and use rule (2) to get a bigger one. There we have
it. There isn't a finite number of natural numbers. To now look at all sorts
of infinity, we use the natural numbers ...
Basically if you can find a way of pairing up every member of an infinite set
with one (and only one) distinct natural number (this is known as a bijective
map), then you can say that your set is of the same ''order'' of infinity as the
natural numbers.
Let me give you an example to help demonstrate what I'm saying...
The set of (positive) even integers is as large as the set of natural numbers:
Define a relationship q, such that
q: n ®2n
(Here n represents every natural number, and 2n represents every positive
even integer)
Clearly, for every n, we can find a corresponding 2n, and for every 2n
we can find a corresponding n, so that we have set up one-to-one
correspondence between positive even numbers and the natural numbers.
Now, lots of more clever and experienced mathematicans than myself have gone
on to prove lots of interesting things about infinite sets, including
''uncountable'' sets, where you can't set up a relation like the one I
described.
The Mathematician who first thought this up was so ahead of his time that
everyone else in Europe thought he was crazy, and he was locked up in a mental
institution (which is perhaps where they souhld send me !), but nonetheless,
this approach to infinty is the one used throughout Maths today (as far as
I'm aware !).
If you are interested in this more, just reply back, and I'll fill you in on
what I learn in my first year Numbers & Sets lectures, as I've been looking at
the notes, and infinite sets look just round the corner...
Bye for now !
Andrew Rogers