Perfect Numbers
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Monday,
April 30, 2001 - 11:35 pm :
I know how to prove that if (2k -1) is a prime then
2k-1 (2k -1) is a perfect
number , but how does one prove that all even perfect numbers
are o2316.html f this form? Also, has any work ever been done on
finding an odd perfect number?
Brad
By William Astle (Wja24) on Monday,
April 30, 2001 - 11:57 pm :
I haven't thought about this much but if
all perfect numbers are of the form 2k-1
(2k -1) where 2k -1 is prime then there
can't be any odd perfect numbers since for k> 1
2k-1 (2k -1) is even and no other case
gives a non trivial natural number.
By Tim Martin (Tam31) on Tuesday, May
1, 2001 - 12:07 am :
I imagine there has probably been some
work done on the subject of odd perfect numbers, but to date
nobody has proved whether or not they exist.
By Olof Sisask (P3033) on Tuesday, May
1, 2001 - 05:55 pm :
I think someone has shown that there are no odd perfect
numbers less than 10300 , or something along those
lines. I think it was Euler who demonstrated several properties
that an odd perfect number must have, if one exists, but I can't
remember offhand what it was he showed. I'll have a look for the
information and post it if I find it.
Olof
By Tim Martin (Tam31) on Tuesday, May
1, 2001 - 06:06 pm :
Any odd perfect number will have to
satisfy the following criteria:
- A perfect square multiplied by an odd
power of a single prime
- Have at least 8 distinct prime
factors
- Have at least 29 prime factors (not
necessarily distinct)
- Have a prime factor greater than
106
- Have its second largest prime factor
greater than 102
- Be divisible by a prime component
greater than 1020
By Olof Sisask (P3033) on Tuesday, May
1, 2001 - 07:02 pm :
Also, an odd number perfect number must be of the form
(4n+1)4k+1 b2
where 4n+1 is prime, according to Euler.
By Olof Sisask (P3033) on Tuesday, May
1, 2001 - 09:56 pm :
By the way Brad, what is your proof?
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Wednesday,
May 2, 2001 - 12:01 am :
Note that the factors of 2k-1 (2k -1) if
the second term is prime are
1,2,4,...,2k-1 ,2k -1,2(2k
-1),4(2k -1),...,2k-2 (2k
-1)
So the addition of all these will be
which is what we want.
Brad
By Olof Sisask (P3033) on Thursday, May
3, 2001 - 09:52 pm :
The proof I know of the converse is similar. I'm not sure if
you want the entire proof or just a general direction, so just in
case here's the direction:
If you let
be an even perfect number, then it must be of the form
, where
is
and
is odd. Compare the sum of
the factors of this expression with the sum of the factors of
.
Hope that makes some sort of sense to you.
Regards,
Olof
By Brad Rodgers (P1930) on Friday, May
4, 2001 - 12:27 am :
I've been able to deduce it to
if there exists an even perfect number, then there is a number
and a
number
such that
.
I haven't been able to show yet that this implies
and is prime.
Where do I go from here?
Brad
By Olof Sisask (P3033) on Friday, May
4, 2001 - 07:47 am :
Did you get it down to the form:
in getting to what you have above? If so, you can deduce from this point that
divides
, i.e.
. Try substituting this
expression for
into the RHS, and then consider that we know that both
and
divide
, and therefore can create a lower bound for
.
Regards,
Olof
By Kerwin Hui (Kwkh2) on Friday, May
4, 2001 - 09:51 am :
I'll quickly outline a proof:
If
, where
is odd, then
(definition of perfect number)
Notice that I define
to be the sum of divisors of
from
up
to
. This way,
will be multiplicative (Prove it!). Now from the
multiplicative property, we get
.
Equating our two expressions for
, we get
so we have
,
, some positive integer
.
If
, then
. So
. But
,
contradiction.
so
.
. Hence
is prime.
Now just work through
to show
is the
Mersenne prime
.
Kerwin
By Olof Sisask (P3033) on Friday, May
4, 2001 - 01:09 pm :
Virtually identical:
Therefore
, so
So
and
both divide
therefore:
(Since
).
This is what we had above, therefore
and
are the only factors of
, so
is prime and
.