Proof of Catalan's identity


By Dean Hanafy on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 03:17 pm:

Fn 2 - Fn+r Fn-r = (-1)n -r.Fr 2

I tried to prove it by induction but didn't get very far, can some1 help? (Btw, Fn stands for a fibonacci number)

Thanx
Deano


By Michael Doré on Tuesday, September 10, 2002 - 11:27 pm:

Currently I can't think of anything better than crunching this with Binet's formula. This isn't as messy as it looks - we have Fn =A( λn -(-λ )-n ) where A=1/5 so:
Fn 2 - Fn-r Fn+r = A2 ( λn -(-λ )-n )2 - A2 ( λn-r - λ-n+r (-1 )-n+r )( λn+r - λ-n-r (-1 )-n-r ) = A2 (-2(-1 )n + λ2r (-1 )-n+r + λ-2r (-1 )-n-r ) = (-1 )n-r A2 (-2(-1 )r + λ2r + λ-2r ) = (-1 )n-r A2 ( λr -(- λ-r )2 = (-1 )n-r Fr 2

but is wholly unenlightening.


By Dean Hanafy on Wednesday, September 11, 2002 - 11:21 am:

Right ok, thanks for yr help :) i'm still a bit unsure though.....after your second line of working using the above formula, i've noticed that terms have either cancelled or been collected but i don't quite see how(I'm new to number thory :) with only A-level Maths and As Further Maths knowledge (U6th)...anyways

when expanding

A2 ( λn-r - λ-n+r (-1 )-n+r )( λn+r - λ-n-r (-1 )-n-r )

i do obtain the λ2r (-1 )-n+r + λ-2r (-1 )-n-r terms

I also obtain λ2n and λ-2n (-1 )-2n and i don't know where these have gone in your above working, please explain

Thanx a lot
Deano


By Arun Iyer on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:16 pm:
[( λn -(-λ )n )2 ]-[( λn-r - λ-n+r (-1 )-n+r ][ λn+r - λ-n-r (-1 )-n-r ] = [ λ2n -2(-1 )n + λ2n ]-[ λ2n - λ-2r (-1 )-n-r - λ2r (-1 )-n+r + λ2n ] = [-2(-1 )n + λ-2r (-1 )-n-r + λ2r (-1 )-n+r ] = (-1 )n-r [-2(-1 )r + λ-2r (-1 )-2r + λ2r (-1 )2r ] = (-1 )n-r [-2(-1 )r + λ-2r + λ2r ]


love arun
By Dean Hanafy on Thursday, September 12, 2002 - 08:30 pm:

That's great...thanks a great deal michael and arun....i understand after the last post arun.....

Thank you both
Deano


By Michael Doré on Tuesday, September 17, 2002 - 01:47 pm:

Thank you Arun for explaining it more fully.

After a bit of fiddling I found one other approach (without using the formula) and that is to prove by induction on n that:

Fr n-1 An = Bn (*)

where An is the matrix:

Fn+r (-1)r+1 Fn
Fn (-1)r+1 Fn-r


and B is the matrix:

Fr+1 (-1)r+1
1 -Fr-1


To do this you just need to apply the identity Fa+b = Fa Fb+1 + Fa-1 Fb which is itself easily proved by induction, and you also need the fact that F-a = (-1)a+1 Fa which is obvious (F-a is of course defined by continuing the usual recurrence relation for low values).

Now take the determinant of each side of (*):

Fr 2n-2 det An = (det B)n

This becomes:

Fr 2n-2 (-1)r+1 (Fn+r Fn-r - Fn 2 ) = (-Fr+1 Fr-1 + (-1)r )n

But by a well known identity (also easily proved by induction) -Fr+1 Fr-1 + (-1)r = -Fr 2 , and on substituting and cancelling the answer comes out.